I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. We even have TWO. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. Is there any perfect , no. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. 19:13-15. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Its my calling and my ministry. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Yes, see my answer to your first question. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. 27. 5. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? N/A Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement 16. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. So spontaneous but like it was planned. You got me I am an IFB college grad. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. around the world wherever our Lord directs. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years God works in mysterious ways. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? 10. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? Read Matthew 23 for more information. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! His son a child murderer. What a stupid thing to say. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. 18. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. THE LAST THINGS 54. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. No, thats silly! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. We told to get married. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. My jabs are defensive in nature. 12. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. No one is "born into the church." I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction See if you recognize any. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Our By-Laws | lbc-up LOL. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. What do Fundamental Baptists believe Come and join. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). Hypocrites! Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. 33. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? 39. 13. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. Its the inspired word of God. Wow. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. Wow, nice list. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Neither should control the other. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. No one knew about the marriage except us. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Simply not true. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. God forgave because Jesus saved. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). Some of these are very much right on the money. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Independent Fundamental Churches of America hypocrite. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol.